Climate shmimate! Answer me this…

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A tuatara, an endangered “living fossil”

1. Why do all the highly regarded scientists I know of with no direct connection to climate science, who get all their funding from other areas, who have well documented track records of challenging authority, why do they all support the scientific consensus of anthropogenic global warming?
2. Where is the smoking gun that is evidence that either
a. shows there’s a global conspiracy to suppress the real data, or
b. falsifies the co2 hypothesis?
[if you wish to actually try and answer either of these questions, note that 2 only needs a link to evidence. It does not require any further discussion, and I’ll edit responses appropriately. If you’d prefer a broader discussion, please read through this previous post.]
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6 comments

  1. Abandon TV

    1. Because, as academics, they were all subjected to lots of Prussian Schooling which trains people to be conformist in their thinking, follow the herd and to align themselves with authority (hierarchy) rather than be true to reason, evidence and morality (integrity).
    [RESPONSE: this theory is nonsensical. With one wave of the hand it blithely invalidates all modern science, and anyone with experience of how scientists work know this to be completely silly. As Wolfgang Pauli said “not only is it not right, it’s not even wrong!”]

    2a. Climategate, Al Gore’s documentary proved fraudulent in court and banned from schools because of its deceitful propaganda, The UN’s Agenda… etc etc
    [RESPONSE: this does not answer the question. All this question needs is one link to the evidence.]

    etc

    2b. Gosh… where to start?!

    This is a good blog …

    [RESPONSE: you appear to have misunderstood the question. I’m aware of the endless arguments and myths, each one of them addressed by working climate scientists on RealClimate. I have plenty of links to the campaigning websites in the comments of my other posts. Please feel free to look through them. This post is going to remain on topic, however. To answer my question all I need is a link, perhaps two, not to more arguments, but to evidence. Many thanks]

  2. cassie

    I am just a human being, but I know that in my uber-short span of time here on Earth, I just don’t know everything.

    Call me an agnostic? But I do not think it is possible for mere humans to really know what the f*%# is REALLY going on with Earth. On climate, or anything. It’s just not possible for our imperfect minds.

    And, we won’t be around to know the True effects of our actions. Just as the people in the Dark Ages had no idea.

    We can’t ever KNOW everything about anything.

    Doesn’t mean I’m going to run around polluting or over-consuming.

    but, honestly, I have to live, breathe, and get something to eat once in awhile!

    and maybe just enjoy myself.

    • adaminberlinio

      Hi Cassie. I absolutely agree that we can never know everything. I do believe, however, that through a process of peer reviewed science, over years of study, carefully comparing and rechecking the data, we can begin to draw tentative conclusions about what’s happening.
      In this case, in my opinion there’s enough evidence to point strongly towards the dramatic increase of co2 gases into the atmosphere being chiefly responsible for some of the changes we are seeing in our climate, including, for example, the melting of the Artic ice cap.
      The next big question is, what should we do about it?
      This is a difficult one to answer, but to carry on as before is not a very satisfactory answer. There are a great many vested interests involved that do not wish to acknowledge the truth about climate change, some of them simply coming from the feeling that they don’t wish to change anything, one of the most natural instincts. I believe that there is also a real danger in acting incorrectly, having an adverse effect on our global economy, and perhaps making the situation even worse somehow.
      There’s a lot of doubt among scientists about the best action to take, but there’s little doubt that we’ve changed our planet, and we continue to change it at an increasing rate.
      If we choose not to invest in this problem now, we may well face far greater costs in the near future, but there are no certainties. Sometimes we must act when we’re 70% sure of something happening, because of the potential danger.
      I’m not even arguing that people need to change their lives dramatically at the moment, but I do believe that governments should invest, and I’d like to see less denial of the scientific realities.

  3. Josephine

    I really think that all one has to do is look at earth history. Consider how many times the land mass has been one glob and then broken apart into continents. Consider plate tectonics and how the formation of the Isthmus of Panama completely changed weather patterns forever. Consider that this earth is covered by 72% water and that people inhabit about 7% of the land mass. Consider that C02 causes plants to grow more and faster which creates more oxygen. Consider “oxidation”. Gawd there is so much to consider. There’s the solar flare activity which comes and goes and has a huuuuuuge impact on temperature. Sure, we humans have some small impact on the climate.. I guess. Some, infinitesimal something now and then but we’ve also taken huge steps to clean up our act. I have lived in So Cal since 1965. We used to have 3rd stage smog alert where you couldn’t even see across the street. No more. Our industrial revolution is over. India and China are having theirs. It won’t last forever. The earth will deal with it, just fine. Consider the gulf oil spill and all the little microbes in the sea water that ate the oil for us. Honestly folks, nature is unspeakably powerful. Waaaay beyond anything we can dream up. In the micro, yes, damage is done, there are consequences and usually, the earth and the atmosphere deal with it just fine. Remember all the horror over the Alaskan pipeline? Well, the Caribou are thriving because it creates warmth so they hang out there and the population boomed. I could go on and on and on. But really, just study earth history and you’ll have overview. Secondly, stop buying into this idea that people are a pox on the earth. We’re not. Stop buying into “the indians lived peacefully on the land before the white man came”. Rubbish. They were all killing each other. Start studying reality and by the way, many of us are not deniers, we’re sensible people who know that the sky is not falling AND we know that there are billions to be made by the climate change scaremongers. Just ask Al Gore.

    • adaminberlinio

      Hi Josephine, and thank you for your comment. That’s a lot of stuff to deal with so I’ll go sequentially and address what I can bit by bit if I may.
      So firstly, how many times have a land mass broken apart into continents? Are you referring to Gondwana? Depending on how you look at it, I would say either once or twice. Are you suggesting it happened more that that?

    • adaminberlinio

      I’d like to point out that you appear to be confusing air pollution with co2 emissions. In fact, there isn’t anything in your message that actually addresses either of the questions I asked.
      You want me to learn more about this, but you’re arguing in direct contradiction to the vast majority of actual experts – climate scientists. What gives you such a great insight? All those hundreds of thousands of people with relevant PhDs, they never considered the influence of the sun? Really? You believe that? I find your position hubristic and arrogant. Listen to the actual experts, accept what they’re saying, loudly and clearly, and move on.

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